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[Alex_iv]

Nguyên văn bởi Nguoitimduong

Hello, Alex, I sent this thread to Mr Ta Phi Long and he read it !
He is so busy now and not register in our forum but sometimes read the news here.

I see. Thanks for doing it I hope Mr Ta Phi Long maybe will find some time later to say something here

[vnmission]

Nguyên văn bởi Alex_iv

But in fact i have one question related to cancelled stamps of Viet Minh (indochina overprints) - from my experience they was cancelled in Tourane and Ha Noi. Was there any other chops?

You are advancing so quickly! This is not my area, but there are some covers here:

http://www.vietstamp.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1251

Just watch out as there are many forgeries.

You certainly should study Vietnamese, but maybe your wife can help, at least for now. There's a Russian TV channel here, and many born in the 60s like me still speak some Russian. I ẹnoy reading Russian chess books during my free time. Business people and tourists from Russia are coming, more and more here will be speaking your beautiful language.

[Alex_iv]

Nguyên văn bởi vnmission

You are advancing so quickly! This is not my area, but there are some covers here:

http://www.vietstamp.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1251

Just watch out as there are many forgeries.

You certainly should study Vietnamese, but maybe your wife can help, at least for now. There's a Russian TV channel here, and many born in the 60s like me still speak some Russian. I ẹnoy reading Russian chess books during my free time. Business people and tourists from Russia are coming, more and more here will be speaking your beautiful language.

Thanks Again i meant kinda CTO stamps i think. At least i have feeling it's CTO chop. It's not from envelope.
And covers - also not my area. So far i just collect stamps. If i will jump into covers - i think i will never have enough money and time
And thanks for encourage me to study vietnamese The problem is actually is in time - until i work whole days it'a rather hard to find time to study regulary. But sooner or later i will know it. I hope

[Nguoitimduong]

Nguyên văn bởi Alex_iv

And thanks for encourage me to study vietnamese The problem is actually is in time - until i work whole days it'a rather hard to find time to study regulary. But sooner or later i will know it. I hope

Firstly, you can try to study some philatelic vietnamese words ...

[Alex_iv]

I will try

[Alex_iv]

Nguyên văn bởi The smaller dragon

I have to add my two-cent opinion on Alex’s evaluation of international stamp catalogs’ credibility and the way he expressed himself in this public forum.

First, the stamp catalogs. Following are postal systems existed successively in a country named Vietnam:

1) Cochinchina (1886-1888)
2) Annam-Tonkin (1888-1889)
3) Indochina (1889-1945)
4) Republic Democratic of Vietnam (RDVN, 1945-1976)
5) State of Vietnam (SoVN, 1951-1955)
6) Republic of Vietnam (RVN, 1955-1975)
7) National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NF, 1963-1968)
8) Republic of South Vietnam (RSVN, 1970-1976)
9) Vietnam (VN, 1976-...)

In terms of postal information, stamp catalogs are the reliant source of full and complete postal issues. The whole world only needs to look at those guides in order to complete a collection or a philatelic transaction, whether it is exchanging, buying, or selling. Now, take a look at the well-known international catalogs to see what each of them covers Vietnam as a country.

1) Michel of Germany is the unique catalog that covers all 9 areas: Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkin, Indochina, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, NF, RSVN, and VN. Michel is also the only catalog that covers Sedang, LK 4, LK V, and Nga Khe stamps. Incredible!
2) Scott of the USA covers 8 areas: Cochinchine, Annam-Tonkin, Indochina, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, RSVN, and VN. Scott does not cover National Front. By the way, please keep in mind that real covers bearing National Front stamps during the period of 1963-1968 are non-existant!
3) Yvert-Tellier of France covers 8 areas: Cochina, Annam-Tonkin, Indochina, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, RSVN, and VN. Yvert-tellier does not cover National Front.
4) Dragon of Republic Democratic of China covers 8 areas: Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkin, RDVN, SoVN, RVN, NF, RSVN, and VN. Dragon does not cover Indochina. But this Chinese catalog does cover all postal issues from State of Vietnam (Bao Dai regime) and Republic of Vietnam (Ngo Dinh Diem and all successive governments.) Unbelievable!
5) Stanley-Gibbons of the United Kingdom covers 6 areas: RDVN, SoVN, RVN, NF, RSVN, and VN. Stanley-Gibbons does not cover Cochinchina, Annam-Tonkin, and Indochina. (Maybe these areas are to be covered in other volume, as French colonies?)
6) CPB of the Soviet Union covers 4 areas: RDVN, NF, RSVN, and VN. In addition, CPB also covers LKV stamps.
7) Finally, Danh Muc of Republic Socialist of Vietnam covers 4 areas: RDVN, NF, RSVN, and VN!

Those catalogs are produced to meet the need of special markets. Scott is for USA market, Michel, Stanley-Gibbons, and Yvert-Tellier are for European market, and so on. As a consequence, comparing Scott and Michel is the same as comparing apple with orange, leading to nowhere! To illustrate what I am referring, here are pictures of the above-mentioned catalogs from my bookcase.

Michel of Germany covers all 9 areas of Vietnam philately:

File Đính Kèm 29021

Scott of the United States covers 8 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29022

Yvert-Tellier of France covers 8 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29023

Dragon of China covers 8 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29024

Stanley-Gibbons of the United Kingdom covers 6 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29025

CPB of the Soviet Union covers 4 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29026

Danh Muc of Vietnam covers 4 areas:

File Đính Kèm 29027

Now, here comes the point that I want to make clear to Alex: Based on the contents of stamp catalogs mentioned above, can he draw his own conclusion about which catalog is limited, in his own words, "by political reasons"?

Secondly, I take issue with the way he expressed himself.
Dien Dan Viet Stamp is a public forum for stamp collectors in Vietnam as well as in any other countries of the world to share their love of the same hobby. From my own observation, its administration and membership are all highly educated and mutually respectful. There should be no room for foul language nor vulgar words in this forum. Unfortunately, such word as “d.a.m.n.” has been used in this part of the Dien Dan.
I would like to advise the Administration to take necessary actions to prevent bad words from appearing again in this forum. Thanks in advance! The smaller dragon

I also would like to respond:

1. The catalog evaluation you presented is rather nice and i think many people, as well as me grateful for this information.
2. I noticed earlier that from my point of view (and not only mine actually) Scott before never include Vietnam. They do so because they do not admit and dont want to represent in the catalog socialist country like Vietnam. The same they did for example with North Korea before. To my mind if you're vietnamese you should'nt like Scott creators for that. And it was exactly political reasons to my mind. The same i can say about russian catalog - yes, there are no South Vietnam by the same reason - because USSR do not want to touch regime they dont like. You as a coillector i think will choose the catalog wich is more full, right? And because you have a change to see other catalogs, you can add opinion about prices. That what i did and i do not think such opinion hurt anyone. So finally i dont understand what you really dont like so much in my saying?
3. And about bad word - well if you find thai word to be bad, i apologies. For me is rather normal word and i do not mean anything really bad to anyone by saying it. Remember i'm not native english speaker and both you and me know i think which are really bad words used in englsih speaking countries. I never used such a words by the way. But if the rules is that strict, i will try to do not use word as you mentioned anymore.

best wishes,
Alexander

[Alex_iv]

Ah, forgot one more thing - vietnamese catalog
I showed it here (in Moscow) to collectors and all there dissapointed that it do not cover variety and do not have prices for indochina overprints. Try to recognize difference for example between stapms of indochina overprints number 18 and 19 in Danh Muc. It's impossible because description is the same.
And it's strange here in Russia for us because to collectors here - national catalog - always the best one which cover all areas. It should be specialized, how Scott for example have for US or we have here 2 russian for USSR/Russia stamps.
Thats the only thing i mean by saying it's not that good. I personally respect the creators of this catalog, i just wish it to be better. that it

Alexander

[Nguoitimduong]

Nguyên văn bởi Alex_iv

I also would like to respond:

1. The catalog evaluation you presented is rather nice and i think many people, as well as me grateful for this information.
2. I noticed earlier that from my point of view (and not only mine actually) Scott before never include Vietnam. They do so because they do not admit and dont want to represent in the catalog socialist country like Vietnam. The same they did for example with North Korea before. To my mind if you're vietnamese you should'nt like Scott creators for that. And it was exactly political reasons to my mind. The same i can say about russian catalog - yes, there are no South Vietnam by the same reason - because USSR do not want to touch regime they dont like. You as a coillector i think will choose the catalog wich is more full, right? And because you have a change to see other catalogs, you can add opinion about prices. That what i did and i do not think such opinion hurt anyone. So finally i dont understand what you really dont like so much in my saying?
3. And about bad word - well if you find thai word to be bad, i apologies. For me is rather normal word and i do not mean anything really bad to anyone by saying it. Remember i'm not native english speaker and both you and me know i think which are really bad words used in englsih speaking countries. I never used such a words by the way. But if the rules is that strict, i will try to do not use word as you mentioned anymore.

best wishes,
Alexander

Hi Alex,
Please don't so worry.
Mr The smaller dragon often has such frank opinions but he does not want to blame anyone.
We are here in a friendly community so if you have ideas, problems or whatever... please show it out and we will correct or solve it together.

[Alex_iv]

Okey, great. I hope so

[paddler]

Alex, I was interested in your idea to make a catalog of Vietnamese stamps. I have recently gotten interested in collecting these stamps. I collected stamps of Korea, China and Japan years ago, but Vietnamese stamps of other than South Vietnam were unavailable in the U.S. I agree Scott has pitfalls. I too am looking for a good way to gauge value. Have you found any? Right now, I collecting stamps at modest prices since I cannot figure out value. Also, I noted you were called the only foreigner on the forum. I guess I make two! All the best.